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Beeswax's avatar

Lilly's attempt to "de-dolphinize" Peter and turn him into a human made me queasy and sad. Lilly tortured Peter in order to prove spurious assumptions that he had concocted in his prolific imagination. It's a hopeful sign that he ultimately realized he should be protecting marine mammals rather than imprisoning and abusing them in the name of science.

Regarding Irene Pepperberg, she's a remarkable person whose affinity for birds was ignited during a desperately lonely childhood. Alex became a life partner, in a way, and his sudden death was a devastating blow. To achieve the reputation she ultimately attained, Pepperberg had to persist against her colleagues who told her she was nuts. Ultimately,she did demonstrate that parrots can understand basic concepts like quantities, colors, and shapes and then reflect them back in verbal form.

Pepperberg's advisory involvement with METI is a sideline, not her main focus. It would be unfair to characterize her as having fallen down the Woo Well. It's more likely that curiosity and openness, rather than having lost her marbles, enabled her to say "yes" to her advisory role at METI. She still works with parrots and does research at Harvard, and is one of the world's leading authorities on animal communication. She also works in conservation.

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Great article and great reminders about the human process of science. Our ape brains are exceedingly creative and curious! We sure like to make shit up. When I am extremely tired or otherwise outside my mental norm, I sometimes hear music in white noise. A river, air conditioner, whatever. It's an auditory hallucination, but it really sounds to my ears like there is music playing for extended periods of time. It's rarely like the folky music I write myself, most often free jazz or classical, but recently after trying some Kava to help me sleep (ineffective) I heard a German-sounding waltz. It's very specific, and I can listen to it for some time without it going away, it's not a momentary thing. I have no way to reproduce it beyond studying a melody (if there is one), because it's always quite complex. Horn sections, fiddles, percussion, the whole works. I wonder if that kind of experience has been studied? My assumption is that my brain finds the frequencies in the white noise, picks out patterns and hears them as music. But how weird!

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